Many city leaders are determined to make their cities smart and sustainable. But some cities have been working on these issues for years, even decades. Two pioneers, in different ways, are Freiburg in Germany and Glasgow in Scotland. Both have gleaned valuable lessons from their experience of transformation.

In this episode, Urban Matters host Tom Miles talks to Martin Horn, the Mayor of Freiburg, and Brian Evans, the City Urbanist of Glasgow and Head of Urbanism at the Mackintosh School of Architecture, to hear directly from these two pioneering cities.

• https://www.freiburg.de/pb/205852.html
• https://www.academyofurbanism.org.uk/aca...